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		By: steve allen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steve allen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2023 16:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I designed a DC-DC switch mode power supply using the LT8337-1 from ADI.  I needed a very quiet (EMI) power supply to power my T420 from a 12.8 LiFePO4 battery.  I cut the connector off the Lenovo original AC power supply (90W) and there is no third wire.  The center pin is unconnected.  This is a stock Lenovo power supply.  My assumption is that this connector was standardized on by Lenovo for the T4xx series laptops thinking they would have the need to communicate between the laptop and the power supply.  Obviously later on in the production run Lenovo realized this was an added cost (three wires verse two wires) so they opted on only using two wires.  I see no difference in laptop performance using any of my Lenovo power supplies or my designed DC-DC switcher.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I designed a DC-DC switch mode power supply using the LT8337-1 from ADI.  I needed a very quiet (EMI) power supply to power my T420 from a 12.8 LiFePO4 battery.  I cut the connector off the Lenovo original AC power supply (90W) and there is no third wire.  The center pin is unconnected.  This is a stock Lenovo power supply.  My assumption is that this connector was standardized on by Lenovo for the T4xx series laptops thinking they would have the need to communicate between the laptop and the power supply.  Obviously later on in the production run Lenovo realized this was an added cost (three wires verse two wires) so they opted on only using two wires.  I see no difference in laptop performance using any of my Lenovo power supplies or my designed DC-DC switcher.</p>
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		By: Basudeb De		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Basudeb De]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2021 04:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jestineyong.com/lenovo-adapter-customer-sent-it-back-to-me/comment-page-1/#comment-372399&quot;&gt;Yogesh Panchal&lt;/a&gt;.

Check the healthyness of the capacitors provided in its filter ckt.Also check the harmonic s content in the DC out put by ossilloscope.Choosing the values of Propercapacitor in the filter circuits . Defects may be rectified.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jestineyong.com/lenovo-adapter-customer-sent-it-back-to-me/comment-page-1/#comment-372399">Yogesh Panchal</a>.</p>
<p>Check the healthyness of the capacitors provided in its filter ckt.Also check the harmonic s content in the DC out put by ossilloscope.Choosing the values of Propercapacitor in the filter circuits . Defects may be rectified.</p>
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		By: lj		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2021 16:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[it looks like a fake lenovo charger usually sold at around usd5
i would avoid using them]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it looks like a fake lenovo charger usually sold at around usd5<br />
i would avoid using them</p>
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		By: Jens T. Balslev		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jens T. Balslev]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2021 22:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jestineyong.com/lenovo-adapter-customer-sent-it-back-to-me/comment-page-1/#comment-373102&quot;&gt;Jens T. Balslev&lt;/a&gt;.

One thing more... on many supplies, the mains noise filtering use two high voltage capacitors (typical 5nF/5kV). Each from live and from neutral to the earth pin. But if such filter is in your lenovo supply and the earth pin is not connected, then the voltage on the &#039;earth&#039; on the laptop&#039;s ground will be divided by the two capacitors - so you may have 115vAV on the laptop - independent if you swap live and neutral. Just my cent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jestineyong.com/lenovo-adapter-customer-sent-it-back-to-me/comment-page-1/#comment-373102">Jens T. Balslev</a>.</p>
<p>One thing more... on many supplies, the mains noise filtering use two high voltage capacitors (typical 5nF/5kV). Each from live and from neutral to the earth pin. But if such filter is in your lenovo supply and the earth pin is not connected, then the voltage on the 'earth' on the laptop's ground will be divided by the two capacitors - so you may have 115vAV on the laptop - independent if you swap live and neutral. Just my cent.</p>
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		By: Jens T. Balslev		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jens T. Balslev]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2021 21:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jestineyong.com/lenovo-adapter-customer-sent-it-back-to-me/comment-page-1/#comment-372386&quot;&gt;Arunkant Pandit&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi. Laptop manufacturer may use the sense pin (resistor) to sense a specific supply. I.e. same brand may provide big/small power supplies with same plug!. Then laptop can detect if correct power supply is connected - and if the resistor represent a too weak psu, then the laptop will come with a warning and perform lower.
Wrt 50Hz-shock, try swap live(phase) and neutral(return) to feel if the shocking become less? If so - then it can be the cross capacitor as mentioned earlier -or leaking debris across the transformer barrier -or worse- the insulation in the switching transformer/barrier is degrated due to exposure to ESD voltages (lightening) when it was in use. A short high peak between primary and secondary side may toast the capacitor and/or the insulation barrier - without making the supply non-functional! That can be tested by proper high voltage testing equiment. But I doubt the cost of a new powersupply can justify many hours of reserach in finding the cause in a broken laptop supply. But interesting if there is an easy way to save it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jestineyong.com/lenovo-adapter-customer-sent-it-back-to-me/comment-page-1/#comment-372386">Arunkant Pandit</a>.</p>
<p>Hi. Laptop manufacturer may use the sense pin (resistor) to sense a specific supply. I.e. same brand may provide big/small power supplies with same plug!. Then laptop can detect if correct power supply is connected - and if the resistor represent a too weak psu, then the laptop will come with a warning and perform lower.<br />
Wrt 50Hz-shock, try swap live(phase) and neutral(return) to feel if the shocking become less? If so - then it can be the cross capacitor as mentioned earlier -or leaking debris across the transformer barrier -or worse- the insulation in the switching transformer/barrier is degrated due to exposure to ESD voltages (lightening) when it was in use. A short high peak between primary and secondary side may toast the capacitor and/or the insulation barrier - without making the supply non-functional! That can be tested by proper high voltage testing equiment. But I doubt the cost of a new powersupply can justify many hours of reserach in finding the cause in a broken laptop supply. But interesting if there is an easy way to save it.</p>
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		By: Yogesh Panchal		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yogesh Panchal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2020 07:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jestineyong.com/lenovo-adapter-customer-sent-it-back-to-me/comment-page-1/#comment-372432&quot;&gt;Paris Azis&lt;/a&gt;.

Paris,
Our wall outlet is 230V AC, Line to earth showing 230V &#038; Neutral to earth showing 0V..

What modification you suggest?]]></description>
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<p>Paris,<br />
Our wall outlet is 230V AC, Line to earth showing 230V &amp; Neutral to earth showing 0V..</p>
<p>What modification you suggest?</p>
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		By: Yogesh Panchal		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yogesh Panchal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2020 15:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jestineyong.com/lenovo-adapter-customer-sent-it-back-to-me/comment-page-1/#comment-372478&quot;&gt;Humberto&lt;/a&gt;.

Humberto,
I was also exclaimed.......Lol]]></description>
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<p>Humberto,<br />
I was also exclaimed.......Lol</p>
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		By: Humberto		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Humberto]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2020 05:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow! I had never seened this with the Earthing pin.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! I had never seened this with the Earthing pin.</p>
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		By: Paris Azis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paris Azis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2020 09:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jestineyong.com/lenovo-adapter-customer-sent-it-back-to-me/comment-page-1/#comment-372419&quot;&gt;Yogesh Panchal&lt;/a&gt;.

Yogesh, can you please tell me what is the A.C voltage level at the wall outlet you used to power and test this power supply, if you measure a) across the phase and ground conductors and b) across phase and neutral conductors? (With the outlet free of course, i.e. nothing connected to it).
I am asking you that because interchanging Live and Neutral MUST have an effect. Here is why:
Having as reference the above schematic (which doesn&#039;t differ from the most cheap designs), this noise suppression capacitor is always connected as shown therein. 
It is clear therefore that one end of it is connected to the minus side of the bulk capacitor (primary circuit ground), while the other end of that cap is connected to the secondary ground (ground to ground coupling).
Therefore, under normal conditions, if the Live is connected so that it appears on the plus side of the bulk capacitor, this means that the primary side ground is effectively grounded through the neutral conductor. In turn, the secondary ground circuit will be safe.
These cheap designs use the circuit ground as safety ground, but this is absolutely wrong. This is exactly what happens in your case and ideally needs a modification.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jestineyong.com/lenovo-adapter-customer-sent-it-back-to-me/comment-page-1/#comment-372419">Yogesh Panchal</a>.</p>
<p>Yogesh, can you please tell me what is the A.C voltage level at the wall outlet you used to power and test this power supply, if you measure a) across the phase and ground conductors and b) across phase and neutral conductors? (With the outlet free of course, i.e. nothing connected to it).<br />
I am asking you that because interchanging Live and Neutral MUST have an effect. Here is why:<br />
Having as reference the above schematic (which doesn't differ from the most cheap designs), this noise suppression capacitor is always connected as shown therein.<br />
It is clear therefore that one end of it is connected to the minus side of the bulk capacitor (primary circuit ground), while the other end of that cap is connected to the secondary ground (ground to ground coupling).<br />
Therefore, under normal conditions, if the Live is connected so that it appears on the plus side of the bulk capacitor, this means that the primary side ground is effectively grounded through the neutral conductor. In turn, the secondary ground circuit will be safe.<br />
These cheap designs use the circuit ground as safety ground, but this is absolutely wrong. This is exactly what happens in your case and ideally needs a modification.</p>
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		By: Yogesh Panchal		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yogesh Panchal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2020 12:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anil Varma,

Thanks! for your comment...I think your first point should work.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anil Varma,</p>
<p>Thanks! for your comment...I think your first point should work.</p>
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