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		By: charles		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[charles]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for detailed write up it is assisting us junior technicians to become experts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for detailed write up it is assisting us junior technicians to become experts.</p>
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		By: Humberto		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2017 04:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good repair, thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good repair, thanks.</p>
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		By: Parasuraman S		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Parasuraman S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2017 11:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jestineyong.com/servicing-collapsible-solar-lantern/comment-page-1/#comment-317376&quot;&gt;Albert van Bemmelen&lt;/a&gt;.

1) Caution is already there in the manual that accompanies it.  2) Yes, it is uF value.  3) Yes, resistor is for discharging residual charge.  3) Nothing! USB is not isolated!   That is the funny thing in this!   4) No primary fuse either!  Many thanks!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jestineyong.com/servicing-collapsible-solar-lantern/comment-page-1/#comment-317376">Albert van Bemmelen</a>.</p>
<p>1) Caution is already there in the manual that accompanies it.  2) Yes, it is uF value.  3) Yes, resistor is for discharging residual charge.  3) Nothing! USB is not isolated!   That is the funny thing in this!   4) No primary fuse either!  Many thanks!</p>
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		By: Albert van Bemmelen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Albert van Bemmelen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2017 19:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jestineyong.com/servicing-collapsible-solar-lantern/comment-page-1/#comment-317258&quot;&gt;Parasuraman S&lt;/a&gt;.

No problem Parasuraman, I understand the electronic circuit now. Thank you for the clear explanation. I hope that no one is able to touch any of the wires inside or the circuit while charging it on 230VAC. Or takes out or puts in any of the rechargeable batteries which could be fatal of course!
The resistor over the Capacitor of 1.5uF (and not miliFarad.. which would make the Xc resistance with a value of only 1/(2xPixfxC) = 2.12 Ohm much too low instead of 2.122 Kohm) is of course for discharging any high voltage charge that it still contains after disconnecting the lamp from the AC main power. I think it probably also has some kind of switch to disable the 230V AC when the USB charger connection is used (or is there only a warning on the outside of the lamp written?). And it should have a primary Fuse too to prevent causing any fire. 
To prevent any oxidation on components and wires I used clear varnish to protect the inside electronic circuit of my Solar lamps. Also on the ordinary two legged white leds in my solar lamps because the legs were mostly badly damaged and couldn&#039;t be soldered afterwards. Cheers!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jestineyong.com/servicing-collapsible-solar-lantern/comment-page-1/#comment-317258">Parasuraman S</a>.</p>
<p>No problem Parasuraman, I understand the electronic circuit now. Thank you for the clear explanation. I hope that no one is able to touch any of the wires inside or the circuit while charging it on 230VAC. Or takes out or puts in any of the rechargeable batteries which could be fatal of course!<br />
The resistor over the Capacitor of 1.5uF (and not miliFarad.. which would make the Xc resistance with a value of only 1/(2xPixfxC) = 2.12 Ohm much too low instead of 2.122 Kohm) is of course for discharging any high voltage charge that it still contains after disconnecting the lamp from the AC main power. I think it probably also has some kind of switch to disable the 230V AC when the USB charger connection is used (or is there only a warning on the outside of the lamp written?). And it should have a primary Fuse too to prevent causing any fire.<br />
To prevent any oxidation on components and wires I used clear varnish to protect the inside electronic circuit of my Solar lamps. Also on the ordinary two legged white leds in my solar lamps because the legs were mostly badly damaged and couldn't be soldered afterwards. Cheers!</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Wight		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Wight]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2017 11:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Parasuraman,

Really enjoy the thoroughness that you approach your projects with,  it&#039;s like a scientist looking into the unknown, or a doctor looking for a cure!  A sure path to success.  It is satisfying to resurrect a device headed for the void. Job well done.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parasuraman,</p>
<p>Really enjoy the thoroughness that you approach your projects with,  it's like a scientist looking into the unknown, or a doctor looking for a cure!  A sure path to success.  It is satisfying to resurrect a device headed for the void. Job well done.</p>
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		By: Robert Calk		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2017 06:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good job, Parasuraman. I&#039;m glad you could save the lantern from the trash.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good job, Parasuraman. I'm glad you could save the lantern from the trash.</p>
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		By: Parasuraman S		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Parasuraman S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2017 12:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jestineyong.com/servicing-collapsible-solar-lantern/comment-page-1/#comment-317203&quot;&gt;Albert van Bemmelen&lt;/a&gt;.

Many thanks for your detailed observations and suggestions.  The LEDs and board were all bad spoiled by the battery acid. IPA stands for isopropyl alcohol. I indeed took a close shot of the board from the components, but while transferring it from mobile to computer, it was missed and I have no clue why.   Since these are old, I could not locate it again in my mobile and probably it could have got erased when I purge all unwanted images from the storage.   The circuit is very simple, like any chinese lamp.  230V AC is directly fed to the board, one side through a capacitor dropping the voltage to the required limit.   Both these AC inputs (one direct and another through this capacitor, are fed to bridge rectifier, and smoothed by a 47mfd/25V capacitor.  A 1k resistor is used to control current and voltage to the LED.  The battery is directly connected to the +/-, the LEDs via the on off switch at the bottom.   The solar input is fed, - directly and the + through IN4007 diode.  This is to enable charging depending on the potential.   USB charger is wired from the battery directly.   There is nothing complicated in this circuit.    There is no over voltage protection, battery charge limiter or any such thing!   There is a charge dropping resistor of high value (I think it was some 470K) connected across the Fixed Capacitor used for dropping AC input.   I think it was a 1.5mfd Fixed Capacitor.  That is all!   As for the water seepage inside, I had cautioned the customer about what had spoiled the lamp and asked them not to keep near windows (which was the cause for rain water seeping in) for two reasons (1) over charging from direct sun light and (2) Water seepage.   I did not cover the sides as there are small holes there for ventilation and battery fumes to go out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jestineyong.com/servicing-collapsible-solar-lantern/comment-page-1/#comment-317203">Albert van Bemmelen</a>.</p>
<p>Many thanks for your detailed observations and suggestions.  The LEDs and board were all bad spoiled by the battery acid. IPA stands for isopropyl alcohol. I indeed took a close shot of the board from the components, but while transferring it from mobile to computer, it was missed and I have no clue why.   Since these are old, I could not locate it again in my mobile and probably it could have got erased when I purge all unwanted images from the storage.   The circuit is very simple, like any chinese lamp.  230V AC is directly fed to the board, one side through a capacitor dropping the voltage to the required limit.   Both these AC inputs (one direct and another through this capacitor, are fed to bridge rectifier, and smoothed by a 47mfd/25V capacitor.  A 1k resistor is used to control current and voltage to the LED.  The battery is directly connected to the +/-, the LEDs via the on off switch at the bottom.   The solar input is fed, - directly and the + through IN4007 diode.  This is to enable charging depending on the potential.   USB charger is wired from the battery directly.   There is nothing complicated in this circuit.    There is no over voltage protection, battery charge limiter or any such thing!   There is a charge dropping resistor of high value (I think it was some 470K) connected across the Fixed Capacitor used for dropping AC input.   I think it was a 1.5mfd Fixed Capacitor.  That is all!   As for the water seepage inside, I had cautioned the customer about what had spoiled the lamp and asked them not to keep near windows (which was the cause for rain water seeping in) for two reasons (1) over charging from direct sun light and (2) Water seepage.   I did not cover the sides as there are small holes there for ventilation and battery fumes to go out.</p>
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		By: Yogesh Panchal		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2017 13:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good job! Sir.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good job! Sir.</p>
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		By: Albert van Bemmelen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Albert van Bemmelen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2017 07:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You&#039;ve really exceeded yourself, and again, in taking the time to repair someone&#039;s quite unique device Parasuraman! Especially in the cleaning with IPA part (don&#039;t think we have or know that product over here). And the reconstruction of the ledboard by replacing it with another one making it fit. Although you took enough photos and tried to explain it with understandable text, I probably still have to see such a lantern myself to fully understand its construction.
After reading about all 6 leds short circuiting I take it that you had checked all of them seperately. Because they likely were connected in parallel. 
According to the text on the 6 led board they were because of the 4V description. Also because the 3 rechargeable battery holder pack makes 1.2V x 3 which is with 3.6V enough for all 6 leds to operate in parallel at a constant voltage and at a safe current. And I guess that the board was not to be reused because of the bad tracks, and not because of short circuiting which you probably had checked too.
Its a shame that you left out taking a close up view from the controller/driver board of this Solar Lamp. I would have liked to know what components were used. Or a little circuit of the lamp would have been nice. (You probably left that part out because of copyright reasons?). And I wonder if you were able to somehow make sure that rain or moisture couldn&#039;t penetrate the circuitboards next time? Because it would be a real shame if you had to do this timeconsuming and very successful repair all over again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You've really exceeded yourself, and again, in taking the time to repair someone's quite unique device Parasuraman! Especially in the cleaning with IPA part (don't think we have or know that product over here). And the reconstruction of the ledboard by replacing it with another one making it fit. Although you took enough photos and tried to explain it with understandable text, I probably still have to see such a lantern myself to fully understand its construction.<br />
After reading about all 6 leds short circuiting I take it that you had checked all of them seperately. Because they likely were connected in parallel.<br />
According to the text on the 6 led board they were because of the 4V description. Also because the 3 rechargeable battery holder pack makes 1.2V x 3 which is with 3.6V enough for all 6 leds to operate in parallel at a constant voltage and at a safe current. And I guess that the board was not to be reused because of the bad tracks, and not because of short circuiting which you probably had checked too.<br />
Its a shame that you left out taking a close up view from the controller/driver board of this Solar Lamp. I would have liked to know what components were used. Or a little circuit of the lamp would have been nice. (You probably left that part out because of copyright reasons?). And I wonder if you were able to somehow make sure that rain or moisture couldn't penetrate the circuitboards next time? Because it would be a real shame if you had to do this timeconsuming and very successful repair all over again.</p>
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		By: parashu ram singh		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2017 05:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[wonderful knowledge got to see the such lamp i have never ever seen
before thanks many many for giving such information and hope you send me again for such type intimation/information.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wonderful knowledge got to see the such lamp i have never ever seen<br />
before thanks many many for giving such information and hope you send me again for such type intimation/information.</p>
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